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 Discussion Las Lindas Bonus Comic Announcement

Discussion in 'Chalo's Works' started by Chalo, Nov 13, 2016.

  1. Chalo

    Chalo Staff Member Katbox Comic Artist

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    Hello everyone!


    First and foremost, I want to thank you all for supporting us for so long. Letting us chase this cream for over 10 years now is something truly amazing, and we hope that things have been as special for you as it has been for us.


    That said, we are in a position where we have decided that changes need to be made to the way Las Lindas handles its bonus comics. We have gotten ourselves into a very difficult situation, both on the art side and on the writing side and a change needs to happen to help us enjoy things further, both as artists and storytellers.


    On the artist side, I am juggling Las Lindas, 4 bonus comics, the Ask the High Prime blog and commissions, not to mention the regular request streams. Likewise, the writing side has been undergoing some major changes as well. With Soulkat moving to a more peripheral position in the comic, there is no writer or creative control going on for Learning Curves or Dungeons and Dames currently. Also, I don’t think it is any mystery that we have struggled with the updating schedule of bonus comics. We’ve tried a lot of different methods, but nothing so far has really worked in getting out content, but also being able to tell a coherent story with them. After all, it’s hard to read a book when you can only read 4 pages every 3-4 months.


    So over the past few weeks, myself, Soulkat, Badxash and Curran spent time discussing what to do. We have a lot of considerations to make, both on the side of the Patreon, but also what we want to do as storytellers now and into the future. Right now, we are facing a couple of clear, difficult problems:


    • I as an artist, am a bit overwhelmed. I’m trying to juggle so many things at once that the best I can hope for is just staying still.

    • The writers are in a hard position where they want to tell stories and conclude them, but with the bonus schedule as it is, any thoughts are probably another 10 years out at least.

    • We have ideas and major projects planned further down the road and we want to actually make some space clear for them.

    The long and short of things is that we need to make some major cuts into the bonus comics. Specifically, we want to cut it down to one bonus comic to update and maintain, giving it speed and the ability to actually finish in a reasonable amount of time. This comic would be Knighthood, as the other comics are either empty in terms of a head writer position, or can be more effectively covered with things like the Ask the High Prime blog. The main reason for this is to actually make it so that we have some cleared space, and we can write with an ending in mind. However, we also know that there’s a lot of love for all of the bonus comics, so we don’t want to just say “these are gone, deal with it”, so we are going to be running a Strawpoll to determine which is the best option to consolidate and manage the other bonus comics.


    The two choices you’ll have will be:


    1. Change immediately to the new bonus update schedule of only Knighthood. But incorporate elements of the cut bonus comics into Las Lindas as part of the ongoing story. In short, while pages of LC would stop appearing, we would work to show what happened through LC into LL.

    2. Continue the 4-page bonus update schedule for the cut comics, but use their last 4 pages to wrap things up, and cut them later. This gives a more concentrated dose of the storylines, but would also mean that we might not incorporate those things into LL as well.

    Basically, it’s a choice if you want a big dose of those comics in a “finale” sort of way, or would you rather the content be woven into LL and made part of that story. It is not an easy choice, but for our sake, it’s one we as artists have to make, otherwise we will be grinding slowly away for years to come.


    The Future


    Some might have noticed that I talk about the future a lot here, and projects down the line. There’s a reason for that, as well as a reason why Knighthood is important to stick around. I’ve always been in a weird place with my setting, with an epic and more action-driven story on one side (the Knights, the Crests, and so on) and a more down to earth, slice of life story with romance and personal growth on the other (Las Lindas, etc). It’s a difficult balancing act and one that I and the writers have fought with for quite a long time. But at long last, I think I and the writers have started to put together something new and fresh that blends these two sides into one, with a new story and characters in the same setting. And Knighthood will be important to develop some of those base ideas needed for this future project, so it will be allowed to run to get those ideas going over the next calendar year.


    I’m not sure when all this is going to begin, at least a year from now, but the other big news here is that we are starting to plan a new major comic to show up when Las Lindas comes to its natural end. I don’t want to commit much to details right now, but it is big and it is in the works.


    Here is the link to the poll, please take a moment to vote:


    https://strawpoll.de/8ebs243


    Thank you all again for your support and understanding. All of us want to do our best to keep you along for our journey, and we have so much more to tell you!
     
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  2. Curran

    Curran ʢ•·̫•ʡฅ Staff Member Administrator

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    Just popping this in here, I've had a couple of people ask me how long the poll is going to run. We're probably going to let it run for the next 2 weeks, basically til the next bonus comic update. Hopefully that'll give us enough feedback to come up with a plan.

    And I want to thank Chalo and SK for their help here. This was not a decision we came to lightly, heck, we've been talking about how to do it for probably a month or more by now.
     
  3. White Tiger

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    First off, props to Chalo, SK, Curran, and all the others that put a lot of thought and effort into this. It's obvious that making these decisions won't be easy, but it sounds like it'll pay off, in the long run.

    I also hope this means handling art will be more manageable for Chalo. It's been awesome seeing his stuff evolve, over the years, and I'd hate to see that creativity and growth get snuffed out by him becoming overwhelmed.

    On the note of slowly closing off the other bonus comics: I'm assuming this means the more 'mature' content that was coming from comics like LC and BatB are going to be done off-site with Tumblr (Chalo's and AtHP) and Patreon? Or is this something that'll occasionally come up in the main comic, too, as it did in the arc with Miles and Geecku?

    As for tying up the remaining bonus arcs: of the two options given, I feel like the second one would be better for the main comic since it'd allow the writing to flow and progress in the same direction it currently has. Trying to squeeze in stuff from LC sounds like it'd be difficult and you guys already have this complicated balancing act of mixing slice-of-life content with the more epic fantasy stuff from the Neo-Earth lore.

    Lastly, I'm excited to hear about a new comic being in the works. I've followed Las Lindas since I was in high school, and the thought of it coming to an end is both exciting and bittersweet. However, it'll be bearable knowing there's another project right around the corner.

    Thanks for all the thought you guys put into coming up with these solutions, and I hope you guys come up with a plan that works for all of you.
     
  4. DNMZ

    DNMZ The Golden Lynx

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    Ok wow I was not expecting this and I apologize for spelling and grammar my head is kinda spinning at the moment so feel free to laugh but here goes . Firstly let me say I love Knighthood because of its more serious side, the action, the story, the characters and yea all of it and I'm glad it will still keep going, I really like Learning Curves and really wanna see where the story goes and obviously I really like Breast are the Best for obvious reasons, Dungeon and dams I'm actually ok with it ending it was staring to get interesting but yea I'm ok with it being cut, now before I vote I have some issues that I hope someone can resolve.
    On the on hand I think ending Learning Curves in the next 4 pages may be a bit disappointing because it is such a good story with so many interesting characters that need endings it would feel like where cramming everything into 4 pages and would be unsatisfying, I think LC needs at least what 15 pages to have a satisfying ending and because of that I think it would be better to incorporate LC in LL you know some of the LC characters could show up in LL to set up a arc that with plenty flash backs that would bring LC to a satisfying close.
    On the other hand incorporating the bonus comics into LL may not work for BB because it not canon I believe ? and unless it made canon and LL rating gets brought up to R (which I'd be ok with) it would not work because of that the second option would probably be better there although it would also be sad to see BB end just like that and this brings me to my next issue. OK I'm just gonna say one of the first things that drew me to LL and kept me looking forward to new pages was its sexy element you guys know what I mean I'm pretty sure I not the only one that thinks LL and the bonus comics has some of the HOTTEST furry girls on the internet and that's why BB is great in my opinion because not only do we get to see all are favorite girls naked, not teased naked but explicitly naked and doing hot things but it has a story it's not just a random page on tumblr but a story, the pages on tumblr are good but I fined things are better with a story and let be honest one of the reason we keep reading it is because it is a story where some of the hottest and kinky's thing we can image can happen . So now with BB ending is Ask the High Prime and The Rolling Dillo the only place where we are gonna see Mora and the other girls doing R rated things or will the sexy element get turned up in LL to the point where its nearly R ?
    Next when is Las Lindas ending ? are we talking months, years ? please don't tell me its weeks please don't. I know I haven't been reading it as long as some of the others have but still I REALLY DO NOT WANT IT TO END ANYTIME SOON.
    Ok I think that's most things covered and yea chalo, curren, soulkat I know I haven't been here long and you guys don't really know me but if one of you could answer some of my questions up here I'd be very happy. So know as to the vote I still don't know which options to vote for, HELP me somebody give me answers so I can make up my mind.
    Lastly Chalo, Curren and Soulkats I really like you guys and what you do so whatever happens I know there will still be good things from you guys in the future.
     
  5. Curran

    Curran ʢ•·̫•ʡฅ Staff Member Administrator

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    I'll do what I can to answer these.

    As far as how we're planning to weave the bonus comics into LL. You're right, BB is not canon, so it is likely going to be finding life with the Ask the High Prime blog. At least the NSFW stuff. LC and DnD are easier to wrap into LL, and we're going to be working on that once we figure out what the poll results are. None of us just wanted to make a stark declaration of "these bonus comics are going here" so we wanted to give everyone their say on the matter. But we are prepared to handle it, no matter what the poll gives us, and we'll give you all our best.

    As far as LL ending, no need to panic. We're talking a minimum of more than a year before we even advance on some of these larger plans. And it could be much longer than that. So as far as Las Lindas goes, there's going to be no interruptions of all your favorite farm-based good times for a good long while yet. :)
     
  6. DNMZ

    DNMZ The Golden Lynx

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    OK thanks for your reply Curran. Now based on it I would say firstly I relieved that Las Lindas is not ending anytime soon as I doubt that there is another furry comic that could replace it at the moment. Next I know you guys are good but I cannot see how you guys can possible give LC a good ending in the next few pages so because of that I'm going to vote for option one however I have to ask why don't you do both ? What I mean is you do as you said and weave LC and DnD into the main comic which I know you guys can do and then you give BB one more run of updates of about 4 or 5 pages and in those last pages you give BB a ending we will all remember. By which I mean that in those last pages you put the the craziest, wildest and raunchiest stuff we have ever seen into it. You know it's rated R so go crazy full on NSFW full on nudity full on sex everything and couples going at it that we haven't seen going at it before like Davin and Amber or Mora and Drake or Toby or both whatever
    ( UNLEASH CHALO)
    Then on the last page as the crazy party comes to an end all the characters are like sitting around a fire on the beach or something and they raise a glass to the sky say cheers and it ends. You guys can always come back to BB on Ask the High Prime as you said and show some other things that happened there, like this happened before the end and this happened between these two and so on. It's just an idea I just figure you guys would like to bring that party to an end in a BIG way you know.

    Now two more question if I may. With the bonus comics coming to an end will we get more pics in the Ask the High Prime blog more often ? and finally what is the rating of LL at the moment ? and will it change ?
     
  7. Aeri

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    Honestly it's a really tough decision but I'd prefer things actually wrapped up, there are just so many KIA LL bonus comics that abruptly came to no satisfying conclusion. (Old dungeons and Dames, Crest Diaries, CC) I mean hell it's kinda sad that these things came into existence at all only to be cut short :/ and the other option is equally sad, like overextensions were made and now everyone feels the repercussions. (I would admittedly miss BATB, BUt even more so; How far did the new DnD even get?)


    I guess what I mean is I'm just sad because I understand completely but I don't like the options, but I haven't got a better idea.
     
  8. TerrificTwenty

    TerrificTwenty Katbox Guitar God and Soundtrack Specialist Katbox Patreon

    It was a bit of a tough choice for me to see what the future of LL and it's bonus comics would turn out. But Knighthood is the most dearest to the writers, so seeing more of that story would be the best option.

    LC and D&D could take a break, but I would like to keep BatB on since it is still a popular bonus comic.
     
  9. Meijin_Sigma

    Meijin_Sigma Katbox Forum Member

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    Usually I would be upset about something like this, about some of the comics changing and ending being a massive fan and all but,
    now looking at it, it would seem valid as I took time to look at the comics over again. I usually have some sort of plan and idea to help or contribute
    but, I have nothing. So however this turns out I'm sure it'll be great. With that said, Chalo, Soulkat, Badxash and Curran please check your messages when you have a spare moment, I hardly show up on the forums still a bit nervous, but I wanted to simply show what a fan of the comic has been up too and maybe you'll like the result and maybe it can help things along.
     
  10. Curran

    Curran ʢ•·̫•ʡฅ Staff Member Administrator

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    To answer these:

    First, no. The point of this change is to reduce Chalo's workload, not just move him from one thing to another. Chalo has been more or less overloaded for an extremely long time and we want to fix that, not simply say "well now you can keep doing all this other work".

    And no, nothing about LL's rating will change.
     
  11. 16kindelbergerry

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    Ok, wow. I can't say I was expecting this, but looking back I probably should have.

    Sorry to hear how exhausting things have gotten, Chalo. Glad to hear you're cutting some of the workload. A well-rested artist who puts out quality artwork at a bit of a slower pace is much preferable to an exhausted one who churns out stuff fast, but hates doing it.

    As for the bonus comics-- I could see D&D being worked in as interlude pages or something, but it might be best if LC was concluded. I'd love to see it get a proper ending, and Gods know I'm curious about what the wedge between Vixy and Carmesi is. That being said, I do think I prefer the 'immediate switch to Knighthood' strategy.

    Best of luck going forward. Hope the LC and D&D characters we've grown to know and love will still play an important role in the LL universe even after the bonus comics are finished.
    -Ryan
     
  12. Darth Dies

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    It will be sad to see BatB go,buut it was non canon anyways so...I super exited tbat Knighthood is getting more focus as I find the comic rather interesting as it is explaining more and more about the crests,knights and Narakhans.

    DnD and LC i have mixed feallings for but both can be implemented in LL,as Taffy and Ron are now "back in the game" so to speak.

    Anyway,best wishes to our artists and story tellers. I have voted my opinion and we'll what happens
     
  13. DNMZ

    DNMZ The Golden Lynx

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    Ok I understand that. I'm also curious about the new update schedule after the bonus comics get cut, like how many updates will there be in a month? 4, 5, 6 or more? lastly do you guys have any comments about my idea for BB I would definitely like to get Chalo's thoughts on it if I can
     
  14. Curran

    Curran ʢ•·̫•ʡฅ Staff Member Administrator

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    The bonus comic update schedule will remain the same, with one bonus comic every two LL updates.

    And as for the BB idea, right now we have plenty of ideas of our own, as well as planning for whatever the poll results are, so I don't want to give any kind of unwarranted expectations. If we need something like it, I'll be sure to let everyone know. Thanks for the ideas though.
     
  15. R.E.B. Dragon

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    I just curious as to how the LC would be implemented into LL with the first option. Would the characters be brought over to LL's story or would it just be flashbacks and explanations? Also, would DnD be put into the LL story every few arcs as like a break from the main story? How often would it be woven into the main story? That's all the questions I have for now. Good luck with this and I hope it works out well.
     
  16. Curran

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    That is still all in the works right now. If I get any more details, I'll make sure to let you know.
     
  17. Phuufy

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    Has Chalo considered hiring another artist/colorists to help ease the load? I know he has 3 writers working with him but having done UQ I know how immense the challenge of just doing the visuals for a page is. That being said, I think I feel he is the type who likes to head everything art-wise and has been doing so for years, so integrating the type of team-mate would be hard.

    At any rate, you need to find out what relevance the bonus comics have to the main plot-line or are they simple fun? DnD and BATB seem like fun but not really plot significant stories, BATB has its obvious fans and probably ropes in more interest then DnD cuz boobies. LC felt like it always be tied into the main plot of LL, though it has strayed far from having much to do with Miles in his younger years. Which was the only real tie besides maybe Tiare (and she was pretty minor in LL) to the main plot of LL. Why not make LC expand to ALL the main character's backstories or what they were doing at that time in their lives?

    Knighthood feels the most stand-alone I suppose and it does touch upon all the world-lore and Crests; given that Ambar and Minos should (if they dont already) have some significance in this comic at some point.
     
  18. MrAMP

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    I must confess that the update schedule for all for the comics have been kind of sporadic, especially this year and more so the bonus comics than anything else. I personally would hate to see the bonus comics go away, especially BAtB and Learning Curves for its recent string of fan service goodness.

    I haven’t yet casted my vote on the straw poll as I have conflicting feelings for both choices. On the one hand, we’ll be getting more Knighthood, which is pretty nice, but I can’t think of a way that Learning Curves would be incorporated into Las Lindas unless a series of flashbacks would ensue or if Tiare, who has already made an appearance, returns with Hope and the others. On the other hand, the finale in each bonus comic would be pretty nice, but I can’t help but feel it would be rather condensed, especially in Learning Curves with its plentiful subplots.

    As for the new comic, I’m quite intrigued as it does give the impression it’s going to mix adventure with fan service and comedy, kind of like Dungeon and Dames.
     
  19. 16kindelbergerry

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    Does this mean that LL is ending soon as well? *worries*
     
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    On one hand I feel for the fans of those bonus comics.

    On the other...more serious space battles are a good thing.
     
  21. Curran

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    No, a few people asked this and LL is not ending anytime soon.
     
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  22. DNMZ

    DNMZ The Golden Lynx

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    OK thanks for your reply, I was kinda half joking about the crazy raunchy party in the last 4 pages but I'd definitely be happy if it happened. Also I apologize for bothering you with all these questions but now I have another one. If you go with option 1 what is going to happen the the bonus comics ? I mean I know they will be cut but are you going to leave them as they are ? will the last pages that where uploaded be the last ( LC page 51 , DnD page 11 and BB page 60 ) or will you give them a final page that says the story ends here but will it continue in LL and Ask the High Prime ?
     
  23. Curran

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    No worries about the questions. In fact, I'm glad you're asking them because I know there are probably some folks out there who have the same questions.

    Anyway, as far as what we'll do with the pages, they'll be here, either in the galleries or their own sections just as they are now. As far as what the "ending page" of them would be, that depends on the poll results. If they get the set of concluding pages, yes they will get something to wrap them up. If it is an immediate change, then no, it will just end where they are and we pick up what pieces and threads we want in LL.
     
  24. kevassilu

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    Sorry I'm late to the discussion. Just got back from vacation without internet for two weeks.

    I'm gonna miss BB, but I'd be okay with incorporating the sexy antics into stuff like ATHP. It would be cool if you guys could up the frequency of the NSFW answers versus SFW answers to compensate for the loss of BB.

    Lately they have been pretty amazingly sexy. If you guys keep that up, I will have no complaints on losing BB.
     
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    I am glad that Knighthood out of all of them would remain. Seems like the most relevant and interesting story of the lot. DnD reboot seems to have hardly gotten off the ground. Learning Curves is a damn shame though, as that has been fun and rather sexy as of late. Though can see how we can see what the end results of that might be within the main LL comic at some point, be it through Miles or otherwise.

    @kevassilu Yeah will really miss BatB as well very much. Though we certainly have been treated VERY well to a lot of deliciously overtly sexual material in general from Chalo as of late. While I would love to see how that sexy scavenger hunt goes down can live with it.

    As for the voting, personally rather have them eventually incorporated into the main comic than end up with a likely rushed 4 page ending.

    PS: In exchange, hope we start getting some nude scenes in Knighthood now. :grinDrake:
     

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