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 Comic Las Lindas #527: Acceptance

Discussion in 'Chalo's Works' started by White Tiger, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. White Tiger

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  2. Dehan

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    Ok Rachael and Miles aren't done, I'm not sure what is meant by that so I don't know if it's good or bad but whatever. So staying on the farm is better than flying around the world with a woman that adores you, mmm ok. Weird I don't really have anything else to say about this, it was unexpected and good in terms of character development I guess. I will say that right now I have NO idea where Miles and Rachael's story is going after this, which is good you know props to Chalo for not being predictable. Oh and is it just me or is Miles looking more muscly ? It could be my imagination but if you look at him closely in the third panel there seems to be more muscle on him.
     
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    Nice.
     
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    Very well drawn out.
     
  5. Radagast

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    Close, but not quite. The qualifier of "dream" is very important here. The choice could adequately be represented as "accept the reality in front of you - at least for now - or deny it in pursuit of a - currently unattainable - pipe dream". Miles could very well achieve that goal sometime in the future, but right now he doesn't have the [functional] plane, he doesn't have the necessary experience or the resources, and he doesn't have the girl. So for the moment his dream is just that, a dream about how things could be.
     
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    Huh, who would of thought Mile's would join Rachael in the deep thought process
     
  7. White Tiger

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    The first thing that struck me about this strip was Rachael, once again, admitting that her looking down on Miles for his flaws would be hypocritical of her. Her admitting that she is deeply flawed and needs to work on her own faults is a very big move on her part -- especially since she's admitting this to Miles, whom she wanted nothing to do with, before.

    The way she conceded that she isn't perfect also made for a good transition into telling Miles that he needs to reevaluate himself. She did a pretty good job summarizing how Miles' 'me against the world' mentality was just turning him into something of a jerk, hence making everything harder for himself. Of course, whether or not Miles will take these revelations to heart or merely shrug them off is yet to be seen, but the final panel of this strip shows he may have accepted some of it.

    All in all, this was a very good strip, in terms of character development. Miles may have not gotten that girlfriend he wanted, and the road to this point was certainly wasn't enjoyable, for him, but it gave two of the comic's most polarizing characters a reason to reevaluate how they view life. It'll be interesting to see how things play out in future strips, because of this.
     
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  8. Dehan

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    True Miles doesn't have the experience or resources or a girl that adores him at the moment but he has a plane that he's working and we don't know how far he's fixed it do we ? He's been working on it for a while so it could be a lot closer to flyable then we think . Also while I wouldn't say she adores him but if Miles asked Geecku to come fly away with him I wonder what she would say ?
     
  9. MrAMP

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    I guess you can say that Miles's flight has been grounded. XD

    But in all due seriousness, this was a rather interesting and touching scene here. Miles has really grown as a character.
     
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    ... Course, a working plane is still a cool thing to have. He can dust crops and daydream.
     
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    I like that you listed "dust crops" first.
     
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  13. Lumaria

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    Moral of the story: never dream. Sell your soul for a 9 to 5 job that has no interest to him and romantically pursue a violent woman who has a history of theft, kidnapping and flirting with taken men. Feels like this is a good way to write Miles as a typical 'NPC' background character. I suppose he got a whole arc dedicated to him, got sex, turned his life into 'good enough'. If this takes away the spark that had him the outlier I would be worried he would become trivialized no more interesting or significant than some cameo appearance character in a background does.

    If Miles does change drastically about the only thing that comes to mind to keep him interesting is if he took some time off to find Hope and a few others of his past, maybe family or something and try to make things right with them. Not saying there aren't a hundred ways to keep him interesting but not many are coming to mind if he becomes Farm Hand #8.
     
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    I have to agree with you, Miles becoming a serious/boring no fun seeking character is a big concern for me. I personally think that if he becomes the good person a lot of people want him to be the comic will losing something. Ever story needs the lovable asshole character that can shake things up if needed, like Mick Rory from legends of tomorrow and if Miles stops being that then what is he ? Just another good boring guy, YES that's what this comic needs. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Miles like the only bad man character in the story ? Randal is a good guy, Minos is a good guy and Idward (if he is still alive) is basically a wimpy good guy with stalkerish habits. Weirdly whenever I think of other characters like Miles the first person that comes to mind is Charlie Harper.
     
  15. RazielsShadow

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    You know the answer to that. No one else has ever created a forum civil war here. Not that it really matters now that he's being transformed into... well this. It's a little depressing. At least now some people have an excuse to forgive him for his past.
    *sarcasm* Oh look he's giving up on constantly chasing for sex and is content to work a job that he hates for the rest of his life just so he can be friend-zoned with Rachael. Maybe he's not such a bad guy after all. So mature. I'm so glad he's no longer a giant sleazebag even though I only read this comic for the breasts. *end sarcasm*

    To be honest I'm not really that surprised. It was either get rid of the character or drastically change his personality. The Miles I know wouldn't just give up on his dreams and accept life as it is, because he's been down that road when he was in college and he finally had enough. While we never got to see what exactly made him snap he made the decision that he wasn't going to grind his life away doing something he hates just to survive. "Nobody is really free if they're stuck doing what they hate all day long. Life's too short to just play it safe."

    And now here he is just giving up on his ambitions. For what? So his character can be less of a jerk? He'll still be hated by the majority of the audience, he'll still be stuck working somewhere he doesn't want to be, and he'll never get the girl of his dreams. But hey at least he's more mature and responsible. Maybe that will lead to fewer assaults by the cast. We'll see.
     
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  16. Tenjen

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    I like that Miles is maturing. People forget he used to be better than a self seeking asshole and most of how he tends to behave is because of taking the wrong lessons out of a very bad life experience.

    Fanciful dreams that lead no where are not dreams. They're holes to bury yourself into.

    He's working past whats been holding him back all this time, even before joining Las Lindas farm.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 9, 2017, Original Post Date: Mar 9, 2017 ---
    He wont stop being Miles but atleast he won't self sabotage as much with pursuits that solely exist to distract.
     
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  17. White Tiger

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    It confounds me how readers are disappointed when Miles' story gets several arcs to expand upon and he gets a heap of character development. I understand that folks like the kind of character he was, for a while, but it'd just get boring if he never changed and he never had any kind of obstacles to face -- whether it's just trying to make a friend or to scope out a pipeline dream he has.

    In what way is this arc saying to 'never dream'? You can dream all you want, but the point Rachael's making is that not all dreams are equally feasible or grounded in reality. This heart-to-heart moment was supposed to give him a new perspective for looking at that pipeline dream of his and how it probably wouldn't be all he's making it out to be.

    As for Miles' interest in Rachael, he likes her because he (thinks he can) relate to her. This makes her very different from someone like, say, Taffy or Mora (they're seeing people, anyways, but the point remains). Rachael's even willing to concede she's a pretty terrible person, but Miles still thinks he can relate to her, regardless.

    This comic's overarching storyline has roughly sixteen 'active' characters, and many of them have their own storyline. If it feels like Miles is being put on the back burner or put aside, I imagine it's somewhat expected given that there are so many characters to develop and story arcs to progress.

    Plus, the comic's focal point has always been life on Mora's estate; if Miles were to chase his dream, it'd just make it that much harder to keep him within the scope of the farm's story.

    I'm sorry, but I think your argument is one that would put the writers of this comic in something of a catch-22 situation.

    If the writers kept Miles as he was and didn't give him some kind of character development, other fans would just complain about how horrible of a character he is and how the writers made a terrible decision with keeping him this way. Now that he's actually getting some kind of development so he's just a bit more appealing, we're getting people who are going to complain how he's now 'boring' or unappealing.

    It's cool if you don't like the direction the writers are taking him, but I encourage you to consider how annoying it is to try to work with a character like him in a way that'll appeal to most of the readers and contribute to the overall story.
     
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    ...Yes, you can take the high ground. Cause he IS a prick. A massive one.
     
  19. RazielsShadow

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    Like I said.

    @WT: It's not that the character development is disappointing, it's that the character development feels like it's changing what makes Miles Miles. That "me against the world", never give up, aim for the sky attitude is fading.
     
  20. XiahouDun1225

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    Looks like Miles' made his decision. Nice to see him start settling down a bit.
     
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    I think its about developing a character who had a personality that didn't need to overly change. In the real world not everyone becomes a morally pure great person as they get older, yet they are the main character in their story every day. Rachael is pretty much saying clip your wings and enjoy your 9 to 5, there are plenty of jobs that can take a person all over the world so its not like he is having some fanciful pipe dream.

    You make it sound like the farm is the universe of Las Lindas but to be fair it could be really limiting if growth of a character can only occur while on the farm. Miles doesn't have to be the focus or even a side interest maybe a letter or something in passing as he travels. Heck if Miles was out in the world those who dislike him will be satisfied while keeping the character possibly more pure to his current mindset or gradual shift. A great example is Ambar exists, granted she gets story in the question segment but she overall doesn't have to evolve or change(besides pregnancy) yet still 'exists' within the world. To compare it to an anime character, Vegeta is an ass. He will probably die and ass as he has lived his life being an ass to everyone. But has a few people he cares about, but still is an ass at times to them. Yet he still has a good number of fans.

    To go off your direction of writing section to be fair I cannot say for certain that I even know what the overall plot or direction is so its difficult to even say he needs a contribution to the story. Its nice to try and keep the story on everyone a little but its not necessarily needed unless it serves to overarching plot but again reading this comic for so long I have no idea what the direction is going besides slice of life.
     
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    I'm not against Miles getting some development. In fact I always assumed he would mature, find love and settle down, but I thought that would happen only when the comic started nearing it's end because Miles would meld into the background otherwise. Also the main reason I'm worried about Miles changing is because there isn't another guy like him on the farm. Feel free to disagree but personally I think Miles is the most interesting guy on the farm. I'm mean I don't remember you guys ever talking about Randal or Minos the same way you go on about Miles. I know Miles has a lot of bad traits but personally I think that's what makes him interesting. As I said before every story needs a lovable asshole character with the main cast, Lumaria compared Miles to Vegeta and I say that's pretty accurate. What would DBZ be without Vegeta ? What would LL be without Miles ?
     
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    I feel people have put up false expectations after all this time of what makes "Miles' Miles".

    Las Lindas is the main focus of the comic. We have our characters growing over time within its confines. Many of Miles' issues were pointed out when Digit got work done on her by his old highschool friend. This comic is about those living at Las Lindas, so ofcourse his development nad experiences are important. Miles is one of the people there for pete's sake!

    the entire premise of the comic is that these strangers with their various issues and hangups have come together at Las Lindas and are growing as people through their interactions. Moving past their harmful habits, sins, bad experiences and problems. After so many years, how can people not get that and state insipid commentary which is anathema to the spirit of the webcomic itself?
     
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  24. White Tiger

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    Like I said in my last post, the writers have two camps of readers to please. For every person that'd agree with you and say that Miles didn't need to change, there's going to be a reader that thinks Miles' flawed personality is perfect for character development material. People just need to interpret it for themselves.

    Also, no one is asking that Miles become some saint who's 'morally pure', as you put it. I imagine that the writers were trying to use Miles' imperfections as a reason to develop him as a character and change his view on life a little bit, thus giving the story depth. You might not like the concept of this story involving characters becoming 'better people', so to speak, but that's what's been going on for a while now (e.g., Mora being more considerate, Rachael becoming more accepting, Alejandra no longer being antagonistic towards the farm).

    Lastly, I think it's a little bit of an exaggeration to say that Rachael's telling him to just accept his dead-beat job. Summed up, Rachael was saying that Miles' idea to live out of a plane flying around the world was "a little much" and people aren't always better off living life without roots. Just because Miles doesn't run off in a plane doesn't mean his only option is to stick with a job he doesn't like; he can find other ways to be happy that are feasible.

    In the grand scheme of things, yes, it'd be limiting the comic to have all the stories take place on the farm. However, despite having connections to the big picture that is Neo-Earth, this comic is still called Las Lindas, so, naturally, its going to focus on the farm.

    There's a chance that the writers have something planned for Miles that we haven't seen, yet. Thus, there's a possibility that Miles' presence in the main story contributes to the overall story.

    Also, I think Ambar's significance to the comic's story goes beyond just answering questions on the askblog (which I believe isn't supposed to be directly tied to the comic's story, anyways). Between Minos and this mysterious heir hiding out on the farm, Ambar's part of the storyline that connects the farm to the overarching lore of Neo-Earth.

    First of all, I'd argue that Minos and Randal don't get as much attention from readers as Miles because they're not as provocative. They might have their own dramatic moments, but Miles has the biggest record of those and that gets the readers' attention and interest. Second, just because Miles is 'interesting' and provocative doesn't mean he should be exempt from change and development, as a character. Even if he's unique in the way he acts, that shouldn't exclude him from changing with the story's progression.

    I'm sorry, but defining Miles with a trope like "lovable asshole" or jerk with a heart shouldn't make him immune to change and character development. Look, I get it; characters of this arch-type are classic and memorable. However, it'd be a waste just to include Miles into the story, and then do nothing with his character development. You'd be keeping him around purely to be the token asshole of the group, and that'd just be lazy.
     
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    That's what I was thinking would be a good compromise, he can still fix the plane and learn how to fly it and it can help with farm maintainance like spraying them with whatever helpful chemicals / nutrients they need.

    And then they can also still use it for fun adventures further afield.
     

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