Discussion First contact

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malazar

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How would first contact go between Earth and Furrae ? How would each side attempt to take over the other ? The Fae and Dragons shall not be considered in this discussion . We shall assume that magic does not cause everything on Earth to spontaneously die due to incompatible physical laws , however due to the lack of magic on Earth creatures are restricted to natural abilities but can still make pandimensional portals .


Also before some tosses out the word nuclear consider that not all nuclear weapons are equal , there is a massive gap between capabilities of Little Boy and Tsar bomb based Casaba Howitzer . I think they're horribly overrated any way due to the difficulty of deployment .
 
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Also before some tosses out the word nuclear consider that not all nuclear weapons are equal , there is a massive gap between capabilities of Little Boy and Tsar bomb based Casaba Howitzer . I think they're horribly overrated any way due to the difficulty of deployment .
Good thing we invented MIRVs which increase destruction and area of effect with minimum yield.

Did I mention a single MIRV could wipeout the entire Eastern seaboard.
 

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... That would only work if we could set up the needed infrastructure to launch rockets on Furrae . Also how would we deal with the Mer and Insectis , especially Zezzuva's brood . A lot of the magical creatures would probably still be able to put up quite a fight due to being rather self-sufficient to begin with .

Besides such things would generally be saved for the occasion things get out of hand .
 
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Sure we have a technological advantage, but you're facing a world with species that can read your mind, invade your dreams, shoot magic stuff at you, shapeshift, and even bend time and space to their will. The chain of command would be decimated in a very short period of time thanks to the shape-shifters, and any tactics and strategies are rendered useless by mind-readers. Hard to fight an enemy that already knows what your plans are.
 
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... That would only work if we could set up the needed infrastructure to launch rockets on Furrae . Also how would we deal with the Mer and Insectis , especially Zezzuva's brood . A lot of the magical creatures would probably still be able to put up quite a fight due to being rather self-sufficient to begin with .

Besides such things would generally be saved for the occasion things get out of hand .
Radiation covered resources are still useful.
 

malazar

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Well if the current arc is anything to go by the only thing relevant to them is whether or not it still has magic in it . Considering Alchemy if I remember correctly works they may not rely upon anything remotely like standard biochemistry .

Though why are we already jumping to nukes .

It was specified in the first post that they are restricted to natural abilities , and minor spells . The abilities you have mentioned are considered rather high end close range effects even in Furrae . However even with such abilities they would need to get the vast majority of people under there sway very quickly otherwise they get trampled by the next country over . Also where did you get the space - time feats from . The only ones that have such power are the Fae and a few Dragons . Also if such abilities were as reliable and effective as you are claiming Cubi would be the dominant race in Furrae , this obviously is'nt the case , even before the Dragon Cubi war began .

Why does everyone jump to all out war ?
 
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Perhaps because knowing how fear controls human-kinds decision matrix, we'd reach for the biggest hammer we could find as soon as we realized how out-classed we were? Add in a few encounters to inspire some hatred along with the fear, and we'd have folks lining up as volunteer suicide nukes. Stir that with the inevitable religious zealotry that is certain to rear it's ugly head, and before long, we'd start immolating each other for falling prey to the "alien menace". All of this would be started by no more than a handful of encounters with Cubi, or even just typical Furrae with those 'minor' spells and natural abilities. Human paranoia can be astoundingly powerful and lead to acts of stupidity that are hard for a reasoning mind to believe.

If not for our equally astoundingly powerful abilities to love, to care, to accept ... our capacity for courage in the face of adversity, our perseverance as a race... in short, for all the GOOD in humanity, then I don't think we'd even be worth saving. Thankfully, we DO have those good traits.

Still, all I can say is that it's a definite good thing that Furrae and Earth never meet. Good for both of us.
 

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Creatures with abilities similar to that of Cubi are usually considered rather untrustworthy , rare , and highly dependant upon the magic found in Furrae . Demons however are fairly common and tend to behave in such a manner that might attract a lot of attention to themselves .

How would Furrae actually react to the existence of Earth , given the differences social and political between our worlds .
Perhaps because knowing how fear controls human-kinds decision matrix, we'd reach for the biggest hammer we could find as soon as we realized how out-classed we were? Add in a few encounters to inspire some hatred along with the fear, and we'd have folks lining up as volunteer suicide nukes. Stir that with the inevitable religious zealotry that is certain to rear it's ugly head, and before long, we'd start immolating each other for falling prey to the "alien menace". All of this would be started by no more than a handful of encounters with Cubi, or even just typical Furrae with those 'minor' spells and natural abilities. Human paranoia can be astoundingly powerful and lead to acts of stupidity that are hard for a reasoning mind to believe.
You make it sound like the entire human race will automatically attempt to nuke itself to dust when control of such devices is in the hands of people who will be more interested in finding out the capabilities of potential opponents , and reverse engineering the biological mechanisms they operate upon .

The presence of new largely unquantified external threats has caused people to unite and pull there act together numerous times in the past .

The creature races of Furrae generally lack the cohesion to work with one another in anything but small groups , even when their lives depend upon it .
 
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Josh.C

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Personally I don't think jumping to conclusions and then going to outright war will be the biggest problems for a first contact situation in that question.

It would most likely be the little things like a young teenage demon going on a rampage at a bar in the Bronx. A human insulting a demon by offering their immortal soul for power and wealth. An Angel being by asked for miracles by random humans. One of the lesser Creatures or one of the Beings jaywalking in the human world because it was quicker. It will be little things that some might take for granted because there slightly different in their world.

But for the most part, I don't think it would be any worst then a tourist visiting a new land. There'd be hiccups for sure. But it doesn't sound like any of the creatures and beings are much different from any human being....Well besides the Fae, but even they seem to have a deep element to them that seems remarkably human at times.
 

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Most the entities that are capable of interdimensional travel wouldn't care , beings might hear about it but they likely would not be in a position to exploit such data unless a large portal is left open somewhere which would quickly be clamped down on by the humans . Demons and the like tend to believe that the strong have the right to lord over the weak .
 
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